10th and final round this coming week, and it's been great 8O what's next up though?

i wouldn't mind a series using the big naked rm bikes like the GSX1400RM, XJR1300RM, CB1300RM, VMAX RM, etc

anyone like the sound of that, or have you something else in mind?

discuss :D

Scooter championship :D just imagine a nurburgring round in a suzuki skywave.

i like the naked bikes, a lot actually.

i think the scooters would be a little too slow though.

i think a little change of pace would be cool, like maybe a street bike round? maybe something like a 600-750cc street challenge. or a 400cc entry.

maybe a 2 stroke entry, with some older (90's era) two strokes.

i was thinking along the lines of:

wss - run similiar to sbk execpt ill be picking the bike to be run at which round

tz cup - hot laps for tz125s and races for the tz250s using races from tz250 races, clubman cup, sports cup (iirc) and tt world series.

i was thinking along the lines of:

wss - run similiar to sbk execpt ill be picking the bike to be run at which round

we'd know up front which bike at which track/event like the current champs, yeah?

if so, sounds ok. you could vary the bikes from 250cc street all the way up to the suzuka 8hrs

or there's the other extreme, ie a one bike series

yeah, i was thinking of sticking to the 600 rms, but, if youd like it opened up then thatd be possible too.

i must be honest, using the 600cc rm's might seem like just a slightly slower version of what we've just done?

having said that, they are a damn fine ride 8O

btw, i had a prod around at the big naked bike specs, and they seem a bit too variable to make an effective group :(

this is true ... more open vareity it is. if everyone agrees, then, we could start after the last round of sbk? do you guys want to do something open like the wrs at the gtp or another championship?

do you guys want to do something open like the wrs at the gtp or another championship?

definately a finite championship, but with varied bikes 8O

If you don't have to run the Pro control I'd be in. Varied bikes I think would be cool

How about quick one make series 3 race series including Qualifying and Race.

Don't know about the rest of you but before i run races i shakedown in time trial mode which could be your Qualifier as far as points is concerned Front Row places Pick up bonus points IE first 4 (front Row) Points 8, 6, 4 and 2 respectively.
Race points as normal.

As we've just done the 1000 SBK a 600 series or Naked series would be good.

Oh Yeah different bike for each race.

tz125 @ suzuka east (??)
tz250 @ suzuka west (tz250 cup)
suzuka full (tt world series)

??

Maybe we could have a team thing like in motogp where you have say 2 rizla suzuki's racing. Kinda like a clan i suppose. It would work like this, 2 or even 3 forum members decide to make a team together, they both decide which bikes they are going to use (if its restricted to 600cc bikes they have to use a 600cc bike and visa versa depending on restrictions, also both riders must use the same bike.). We make a list of the teams and riders competing and once the teams have been istablished we start to race. The tracks are chosen before the tournement starts instead of at the last minute like on the WRS at GTP. Once the week is up the 2 riders from a certain team combine their times and which ever team has the best overall time earns points that judge their placement on the table. 2 different teams can use the same bike aslong as they don't have the same team name, just like motogp really how you have 2 different teams both using a suzuki.

the only problem with the, HR, is that wed only have enough people for 2-4 teams.

Yer, i suppose its the kind of thing that would work in a few months when more people have bought they game even getting people from gtp involved.

Great Idea HR but the only problem is that not everyone can race every round people do tend to go on holiday this time of year, If we had a bigger Forum we could enlist Subs but at present just hav'nt got the numbers, One for the backburner though.

Come on Lads give us some ideas as we've only got a week to thrash out a new format

is anyone here using the ntsc-jp(asia?) version of tt? id like to include bikes like the ns400r rm and the other two 500cc 2-strokes there were added in the ntsc-na and pal versions.

how about a throw back to the older 500's two strokes. im kinda keen on keeping it in pro mode, but what does everyone else think?

i would also like to change it up a bit from the 1000cc, (or 600cc for that matter) class, only cuz this one was quite a jump into the "balls to the wall" type racing. i think some other players/users would have a much easier time competing if the bikes werent quite as fast. after all , the 1000cc bike are just about the quickest in the game. i would like to stick to race bikes, but i would not mind it street bikes were thrown into the mix. but in the spirit of racing, i think the RM bikes would be more appropriate.

i like the 10 race layout, its not too long, not too short. maybe we could have a real race track series, where only the real tracks are used, or another type, like the city tracks (ugh...)

a 400 rm series would be cool too, where you are more concerned about corner speed and momentum, than just putting the power down, and getting the drive. it might be the ticket...

How about a series that goes back into the early 90's and 80's two strokes? Each race is consisted on different CC types.

Like Race 1 would be 400cc RM's only, and Race 2 would be 250cc RM's only.

Sound good? Bad?

ill post what im thinking after work, but, basically a 10 round format like this one with bikes ranging from the tz125 to the mt-01 rm to the trick*star zx-10r.

Whats your thoughts on a qualifier as in my prev post, If the rest of you set the bike up in time trial we might as well include these times and have a bit more fun as it's only the first 4 fastest times that will be considered.

It will also throw up some Lap Records for the boards and provide more ghosts for the rest of us to pit ourselves against.

So it looks like we've agreed on a 10 race series using some of the more unusual bikes the game has to offer - Fine with Me :)

I'm also one of those which would like to keep it pro mode only as it takes more skill by the player and gives you a better sense of achievement - still waiting on that one though :)

yeah, it would be cool to have maybe another sub forum, with tt lap time records. it would probably be something like a class thing.

unlimited: 600-749cc: 750-999cc: 1000cc+: etc...

and have them for different tracks.

I think Dom has plans for a top 10 for each track within TTBikeSim, but i do agree with you that it may need to be split into different catagories as you suggest but also include 125 and 250 class.

qualifing is an interesting idea, but, not all races will be in a race. it just depends on if the bikes i plan on using have a race at the track i want to use. if not itll be in practice.

That's Cool if it's a hot lap round then no qualifier bonus, but a qualifier will give a bit of extra interest for the race rounds.

BTW nobody confirmed if they ran shakedown laps in time trial mode before attempting a race, just thought it was common sense.

All i ask is to use some of the bikes that we do not normally run and run some rounds on one bike and some other rounds with a choice of bike, a bit of pick n mix :)

i thought about using a selection on some tracks like busa rm vs zx-12r rm at high speed ring and brutale rm vs speed tripple rm at citta, but, not sure at this moment what the differnce in speed is and so was thinking of going with busa rm @ hsr with the big kwack @ midfield.

though i was thinking about using the old ns400r rm and the old suzuki and yamaha 2 strokes at costa.

Here's an idea that I've come up with. Since I run the WRS I'd like to see a finite chamionship. I also enjoy racing as part of a team. What if we set up a 2 person team, 1 driver on a road bike and 1 driver on the RM version of the bike. Or, it could be 2 per a team on 1 manufacturer and 2 per a team for another manufacturer.

A championship with the 125 or 250 bikes will be great they are more easy to drive and the curve is more fast... the old 250 bikes.. :P

125-250-500 :roll:

Here's an idea that I've come up with. Since I run the WRS I'd like to see a finite chamionship. I also enjoy racing as part of a team. What if we set up a 2 person team, 1 driver on a road bike and 1 driver on the RM version of the bike. Or, it could be 2 per a team on 1 manufacturer and 2 per a team for another manufacturer.

I like that idea... but it should be RM if teams will be implimented. How would teams be chosen? Would they be balanced according to skill level? Or is it just a simple agreement between two people?

I know this my sound crazy... but how about a round where we have to do 5 consecutive laps around Nurburgring? Or just 3 laps?

I think a TZ125 championship could be interesting.... one lap only, round the tight courses, e.g. Tsukuba, Autumn Ring Mini, Citta Aria etc.

teams would not be forced, but, would only have half the people scoring points. and who ever wants to be team mates can be.

i call dibs on callaghan! ;)

i'll toast to that. thanks for the boost in confidence nes.:)

i'll toast to that. thanks for the boost in confidence nes.:)

Your bassically the MVP I think... well I'll leave it up to the others to decide who they want in who's team. I'll take anyone. We should do this for MotoGP 4, that would be fun. Dont know how many people play it, but if we did something for MGP 4, I'm with the Kawasaki Team.

I have an I dea. How about am all ITA race with all of the ITA street bikes and racers? Call it the "Italian Stalion Championship"?

i was thinking an iroc thing after ttws :)

[edit - we wont be using the same bike each round to keep it interesting. if i can manage to make every round a race, then qualifing will be used. everyone will use the same set up, but, form will be adjustable because not everyone rides the bike the same :) ]

Any series where you all have to use the same/default setup would be awesome.

Would be very interesting seeing who comes out on top when everyone is on exactly the same bike and you don't have to spend days trying to find a half decent setup.

Though I'm back at Uni in 2 weeks and don't know what the situation will be with TV, PS2, internet, etc.

Everyone using the same set-up sounds great to me. I'm spending way too much time trying to figure that out. I would like to see gearing changes be allowed along with the riding form changes though.

What did you have in mind as far as qualifying?

the same set up would only go as far as the bike, the form would be up to the user (and set up would be based around default lean body)

qualifing would last all week because race activity for ttws seems to pick up over the weekend so im guessing thats when everybody really starts their efforts. pole postion would get one point.

I like this idea of everybody using the same setup. That way we can just concentrate on being a rider not a setup engineer. In my opinion, we should try to use as many of the real tracks as possible, and if we need to through in some of the fantasy ones like grand valley, trial mountain, ect. I just think if we're trying to make it like WSBK or some other racing series we shouldn't use any of the city circuits. That's just me talking

there will be a vareity of tracks, but, no nordschliefe and no city tracks.

to be honest, im tired of the slow (<20 mph) corners, where the physics are complete and utter shit. i cant sugar coat it...i think a round with all real tracks would be cool, also. what about an all fast lap series, with the longest tracks (minus the ring) in the game?

im not sure about a hot lap series, but, im open to running what the people want. but, deffently i agree with you on the slow tracks calla. i was planning on a mix of road and race bikes and deffently at suzuka (something honda), gvs (moriwaki cbr6rr), midfield (mv f4s road), ssr5/csr5 (so lied about no city tracks :lol: ), el captin and im not sure where else.

i was thinking all races so we could have qualifing in practice and then when a race isnt available have a 2 stage rally style event. final points would be determed by overall time, but, the winner of stage 1 would get the 1 point from qualifing. for example suzuka west would be stage 1 and the full track would be stage 2.

i want to concentrait on ttws race right now seeing how tight it is between ttwso and team hazard, both in team standards and indivual standings (and i really dont want to let calla down)

How about a series with just street bikes? Makes for all the more challenging as modifications are less.

If you're still thinking about using a spec set-up, how about a 600 Supersport series. Maybe shorten it to 5 races to try out the spec set-up approach & try to keep people from losing interest. I think the length of the series is where we're losing people. The holidays aren't too far out either. We could wrap up a 5 week series well before that.

i'm all for an arcade series mabe street or 600RM all on the same bike all using the same settings and only rider
form to play with :lol:

A short series before the holidays sounds good :D

We could do a short street series next and a longer series in the new year with the 600RM's ;)

Edit : Just had a Brain Wave :nerd:

How about BSB style events 2 races/round first deadline on thursday second deadline on sunday as we all get better
during the course of the week and would add a bit more banter to the proceedings which is allways good IMO ;)

(if anyones away for the weekend just post your 2 fastest times - the faster time counting towards the sunday race)

could add a bit more interest :D

The BSB style series sounds very interesting. :think:

i'm all for an arcade series mabe street or 600RM all on the same bike all using the same settings and only rider
form to play with :lol:

i will not do anything in arcade mode ...

A short series before the holidays sounds good :D

We could do a short street series next and a longer series in the new year with the 600RM's ;)

if itd be a spec bike, then the only option for that would be the Moriwaki CBR600RR.

How about BSB style events 2 races/round first deadline on thursday second deadline on sunday as we all get better
during the course of the week and would add a bit more banter to the proceedings which is allways good IMO ;)

(if anyones away for the weekend just post your 2 fastest times - the faster time counting towards the sunday race)

could add a bit more interest :D

hm, im not sure ...

so, it seems to be the general consences that the people want a shorter series if for no other reason than the upcoming holidays and to try out a spec series? if we do go with iroc style series, id like callaghans, as well as team hazard to help me set up the bikes. but, all tips would be appericated.

if we do go with iroc style series, id like callaghans, as well as team hazard to help me set up the bikes. but, all tips would be appericated.
why not just got for default settings? seems to be the logical way to go if you want to specify a set up

tnx for the vote of confidence re: hazards set up skills, btw :)

i was glad to see earlier in this thread that you'll be dropping the city tracks nes

1 bike per round would imo be better too, unless you went for a sbk or supersport series

did i see also that you were dropping the hotlaps? that's good

how about using the complete tt world championship as our next season, with a different big naked rm per round? 8O

default settings, specified tyres. great fun that'd be, imo :D

the only problem i see with a default set up series, is this would be on the honor system. i like to think everyone is honest...but we all know that is not the case. if this was done in arcade mode (of which i dont like...anyways) then it wouldnt be a problem, but then that presents the weight and power differences that can be adjusted.

unless i'm mistaken, nes wanted us to arrive at a set up that all the riders would use?

that being the case, it's an honour thing too surely?

any specified set up is open to abuse, be it defaults or anything else

i just thought it'd be so much easier and fairer to all if we used defaults and spec tyres :)

naked rm tt world championship!! 8O (subtle hint) :lol:

naked rm tt world championship!! 8O (subtle hint) :lol:

im for that. would there be different classes, like the older nakeds, and newer brutes?

well, default set up would be best and then i could just post adjusted final gear and tyre selection using the default form lean body. spire used it with a lot of success.

Here are the bikes im wanting to use:
Moriwaki CBR600RR @ Grand Valley Speedway
MV Agusta F41000S @ Midfield
Honda CBR954 Fireblade @ ???
Yamaha XJR1300 @ ???
Kawasaki Z1000 @ ???

id like to use the GSXR750 and the japanesse litre road bikes but you guys are interested in more naked bikes, so. what would you like for the last round or two? id rather have the Fireblade than the CBR1000RR. the only bike im really firm on is the Moriwaki, but, open on everything else and adding a round or two as well.

that would give us a 5 round series that would take us into a holiday break and then after that we could do a longer series using the 600 rm's using the 600 super sport series and other races where nescary. then, if the class thought appeals to everyone, we could also add a 400rm class that would use practice and hot lap.

i thought about just using the TT World Series championship but i like the vareity of race distances.

if were going spec series, i dont think well go with teams. Qualifing will be used if i can get every bike we/i want to use in a race. faster qualifier will get 1 bonus point.

750f-rm - welcome and its funny seeing your deleted double posts :lol:

i personally like the kawi gpz400 at trial mtn. momentum is everything...

regarding jap litre bikes...i rode a 06 zx-10 today, with akrapovic slip ons. this beast is facking fast. all it wants to do is spit you off. i wouldnt mind riding a zx-10 in the series either. :D

Honda CBR954 Fireblade @ ???
Yamaha XJR1300 @ ???
Kawasaki Z1000 @ ???

Honda CBR954 Fireblade @ Fuji 2005
Yamaha XJR1300 @ Laguna Seca
Kawasaki Z1000 @ Valencia

:D

Looks like you guys are pretty close to putting something together for the next series or two, but here's something to consider for future reference. Let me know what you think.

Tracks/modes are selected/posted for the entire series. Riders/teams get 1 week to select A bike to run the entire series with. Organizers could choose to eliminate some of the hyper bikes up front.

ello nes :) that list of events that's forming on the forum needs looking at a bit more

i had a look at the tracks available for use in the street bike events, seeing as you posted street bikes

my bad too, for not checking before i posted suggestions :D

street bike cup #1, <250cc

grand valley east
motegi super speedway
motegi east

street bike cup #2, <750cc

suzuka east
suzuka west
tsukuba

street bike cup #3, <1000cc

trial mountain
midfield raceway
autumn ring

street bike cup #4, unlimited

apricot hill
high speed ring
tsukuba

all 3 lappers, so a good solid basis for a series, imo :)

thanks for the info :)

Moriwaki CBR600RR @ Suzuka West (750cc or under)
MV Agusta F41000S @ Midfield (1000cc or under)
Honda CBR954 Fireblade @ Trial Mountain (1000cc or under)
Yamaha XJR1300 @ High Speed Ring (unlimited)
Kawasaki Z1000 @ Tsukuba (unlimiter)

with road bikes were unfortinately pretty limited, but, still should be enjoyable. 3 lap races are good enough for a quick series.

that's ok :) nice compact series you got there, should be fun :D re: road bikes only having those 4 events to enter

i can't see why pd didn't allow the road bikes to enter all the race events in tt. i always enjoyed pitting road cars
against racers in the gt series. in tt, that would've been great imo 8O

No Deep Forest? :(

Not sure what one I'd take out though, so it's all looking good!

Just for something to do i thought i would do a series header hope you like it es nes :D

Of course it's the MV F4 1000s @ Midfield ;)

Edited with street bike and slicker text :lol:

And when do you want to start this championship?

It started this week. Times for Round 1 have to be posted by midnight tonight CST.
Rules/Specs here: http://www.motogpboards.com/showthread.php?t=686
Key Points:
Moriwaki CBR600RR at Suzuka West
TT Mode, Pro Mode only, Peformance Tires
Spec bike Set-Up & Rider Form posted
Qualifying in Practice Free Run, best Clean lap (Don't bother unless you're really fast. ;) )
Race in Street Machine Comp Stage 2 750 or under, best fairly clean 3 lap race
(Minor incidents like briefly touching the grass are OK, if you don't save a crash by doing so.)

Ask to be added to the rider list here: http://www.motogpboards.com/showthread.php?t=670
or send es nes a PM

Good Luck!