after a stressfull day of playing at nordschliefe, i decided to play somewhere sane for a little while choosing the CBR1000RR RM as my weapon of choice at gran valley speedway.

my fastest lap was a 1.56.205 :)

replay :) (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrracingmodify/919264/REPLAY.DAT)

trying with the r1, i just cant seem to get along with this bike. but here is my effort. medium tyres and a weird setup that seemed to work ok.

my replay (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/102)

I decided to try that track for a best lap. I did a 1'54.550

I really like this track now, as it's smooth and fast with a few sharp corners.

Replay:
http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/103

Did a 1.54.514 last night! :)

Ducati 999R RM - 1'54.698
tbh, i was hoping for a mid 55, but, ill take a the 1'54 :)

Yamaha YZF R6 RM - 1'55.885
my previous best time here with a 600 rm was a 1'57.2 with a cbr600rr rm. i knew i could go faster, but, i wasnt sure if i could go over a low 56.

before my fastest laps were a couple of low 1'56s with the cbr1000rr rm and the zx10r rm. ill have to redo those bikes.

if you guys are interested, ill do a leaderboard :)

i got a 1:54.311 earlier, on the CBR1000RM. i'll have another go tomorrow, and give a 600RM a try too

i tryed the aprilia rsv-r rm ... really disappointed in it. it has 103ft-lbs, 176kg, and 176hp. but, it feels really heavy and likes to understeer.

i need to tweak my set up.

1'57.759

[edit suzuki gsxr1000rm 1'54.154. should be able to break the 54 mark with any of the litre rms execpt the mv and aprilia :( ]

heh.

1'51.804 - 7 cbr-rrw

woohoo ... i didnt break anything! :lol:

just asking but is anybody already testing on Grand Valley?
I've a time but i want to have an idea if it's good

Yamaha YZF R6 RM - 1'55.885

;)

ow ok still a bit behind :D
i'm at 1'55.934 so a split second behind

which bikes will be best here do you think?

im sure theyll all be strong. the honda maybe down on power, but, id never count calla out.

i dont know, this is a power track, especially with that long front straight...;)

but, my tz250 time is less than 2 seconds behind my r6 time ;)

i dont know, this is a power track, especially with that long front straight...;)

Our Hondas won't like that very much:(

tell me about it. i think its also the heaviest of the 600 too, go figure.

if managed a 1'57.182, then i think youll be fine calla :P

heh

1'51.804 - 7 cbr-rrw

1:51.776, same bike :D i've heard the engine on this bike described on the forum
somewhere as 'pulling like a freight train', and it's true :eek:

i got 203mph before i had to brake for turn 1, and i reckon it'll go better still

too early for me to say if i can, but this bike will go <1:50 here, of that i'm sure

1:51.776, same bike :D i've heard the engine on this bike described on the forum
somewhere as 'pulling like a freight train', and it's true :eek:

i got 203mph before i had to brake for turn 1, and i reckon it'll go better still

too early for me to say if i can, but this bike will go <1:50 here, of that i'm sure

that wouldnt be this (http://www.motogpboards.com/showpost.php?p=2716&postcount=87) post, would it? i cant believe how powerful this motor is. plus it has the traction out of the corner to get that mad drive. but its definitely a different riding style that it requires, especially if you want to go really fast. i might have me a go on it tonight, just to see what it will do.

1.50.907 on the 7 honda. clocked at 205mph before fright let the throttle slack...and just barley made the first turn. this bike is very picky, very hard to set up. i still cant get it to turn well in the first and last corners.

that wouldnt be this (http://www.motogpboards.com/showpost.php?p=2716&postcount=87) post, would it?
yep, that'd be the one :) as you say, picky bike. i used my ZX6RM set up for my '51.7, but it wasn't ideal

nice time btw :D

after a stressfull day of playing at nordschliefe, i decided to play somewhere sane for a little while choosing the CBR1000RR RM as my weapon of choice at gran valley speedway.

my fastest lap was a 1.56.205 :)

replay :) (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrracingmodify/919264/REPLAY.DAT)

Hi nes!

The track is called "Nordschleife" not "Nordschliefe". The english word for "Schleife" is loop. ;)

Put in a good number of low 50's but struggling to go into the 49's, then all of a sudden it came together and somehow a 1:48.954 (36.808, 1:11.725). Don't think I'll be able to beat that. Now to have some fun with the Duke :D

Edit: 1:50.314 (37.031, 1:12.447) with the 999RM. No way that's getting near the 7 Honda, has better handling but not the power.

Edited edit: 7* Honda replay: http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/397

Perhaps I'll bust out the ole CBR1 and give this a spin.

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ello :) yeah, i'll be giving this some more attention later too, after i've given ttwss round 5 a spin

nice time on the 7* diatribe 8O looks like a '49 on a non 8hr rm is one to go for :D

Can someone please upload Diatribe's replay on youtube, I'd reallly like to se that, but I can't play it at home... I've got an USA game type. :(

Can someone please upload Diatribe's replay on youtube, I'd reallly like to se that, but I can't play it at home... I've got an USA game type. :(

that would possibly be something for 750F-RM

yep, i'll get that done :) i got 1:51.398 on the duke earlier, and it'll produce some mad lean angles without falling :eek:

yep, i'll get that done :)
Unless you've already done it, don't worry about putting the replay up on Youtube yet. I've managed to get a surprising amount of work done today so should have some free time tomorrow to have another go at it and see if anything lower's possible :D

oki :) i'll have a look later this evening, see how you got on :D

Can someone please upload Diatribe's replay on youtube, I'd reallly like to se that, but I can't play it at home... I've got an USA game type. :(
here's diatribe's 1:48.954 at grand valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAi91VueuMs), as requested dario :)

here's diatribe's 1:48.954 at grand valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAi91VueuMs), as requested dario :)

Tnx... :D

Put in a good number of low 50's but struggling to go into the 49's, then all of a sudden it came together and somehow a 1:48.954 (36.808, 1:11.725). Don't think I'll be able to beat that. Now to have some fun with the Duke :D


Unreal lap you've got there. I've raced about 50 laps against your ghost and find it is just too quick for me. I cannot even come within a second of it.

My best so far is a 1'50.2 :(

If I'm to come anywhere near you I'll have to copy your trail braking technique because you are carrying insane speed through the corners.

The third corner for example (left hander before going uphill), I take it at full lean with a perfect line through the apex and every time you shoot past me (even if I beat you out of the previous corner, which I can do consistently)

And the chicane with 4 apexes, you totally nailed that one with trail braking. I've been even with you at the 1st checkpoint a few times but you always pull away thereafter.

don't worry man, that's still a great time

If I'm to come anywhere near you I'll have to copy your trail braking technique because you are carrying insane speed through the corners.


Part of his secret is that he's able to brake and accelerate at the same time, which damn sure helps with cornering speed.

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Part of his secret is that he's able to brake and accelerate at the same time, which damn sure helps with cornering speed.

Indeed, the third corner in particular, he chucks it in so deep in 5th gear that without trail braking you end up on the other side of the track and completely off line for the following right hander.

I'm trying to figure out a controller setup that would allow me to trail brake as well as use the conventional method. So far I've got the right analog for throttle/front brake and R2 for rear brake, but thought of switching to X for throttle and square for front brake for the corners that require trail braking. R2 is also reachable with the index finger for rear braking while holding X and square if more braking is needed.

To be honest, the only reason that I've gotten quick at this game is trail braking. I used to use it for certain corners or sections like the tight twisty chicane bit at Tsukuba, but began to develop that for as much of each circuit as I could. Doesn't take much practice and basically there was a parallel between my series results improving, and my use of trail braking. It's the fastest thing on the game I know, so I stuck with it.

Another point of interest, it doesn't matter what bike or circuit, my set up stayed basically the same. Whether it was the trail braking that allowed this I don't know. This was all suspension settings as 1:2, brakes 10:10, my final gearing at the highest possible and then I sorted the rest out from there. Take of that what you will.

what do you guys actualy mean by trail braking?

what do you guys actualy mean by trail braking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_braking

Check out Diatribe's replay (it's a PAL replay) as well to see how he operates the brakes & throttle at the same time.

what do you guys actualy mean by trail braking?

Taking a corner both braking and accelerating (in the game anyway). Easier at some corners than others, but basically brake as normal, then accelerate at the corner's entrance while still on the brake(s). The Youtube vid there will show what I mean, or any of my later replays. Using that I reckon it's possible to get into the 6:30's at the 'Ring but I don't know it well enough at all.

Apologies to anyone who doesn't find this a realistic/valid way of playing the game.

To be honest, the only reason that I've gotten quick at this game is trail braking. I used to use it for certain corners or sections like the tight twisty chicane bit at Tsukuba, but began to develop that for as much of each circuit as I could. Doesn't take much practice and basically there was a parallel between my series results improving, and my use of trail braking. It's the fastest thing on the game I know, so I stuck with it.

In that case, I will definitely have to get the technique sorted :)

You should run Valencia on the 7 Honda. I think your time would be quicker than mine or mthielen's.

Apologies to anyone who doesn't find this a realistic/valid way of playing the game.

ROFL, that's what I first thought when I realised I wasn't going to catch your 1'48 :)

Changed my mind though when I realised it is a legitimate technique. I believe the GT4 equivalent is "left foot braking".

you would be correct. left foot braking would be similar, but the results are different. on a bike, you really shouldnt use the brake and throttle at the same time, because the loading and unloading of the tires becomes much less predictable. i can see how this would work in the game, but you would end up on your ass on an actual track.

kudos to diatribe! thats what pushing the envelope is all about, finding new ways to go faster, whether its a different style, a different line, etc...

i can see how this would work in the game, but you would end up on your ass on an actual track.

I read somewhere that MotoGP riders use trail braking, would that be correct?

Apparently Mick Doohan used rear trail braking out of corners to prevent wheel spin, whether it's as feasabile in RL as it is in the game is unknown to me. I'd give you the benefit of any doubt as by the sounds of it you actually ride a bike in the real world (is that your bike in your sig?)

yes, actually, trail braking as it relates to bikes is really simple. its the use of one or more brakes (the front and/or rear) up to the point of apex, at which point, more application of the brake will only decrease speed and increase time around a circuit. the vast majority of riders will use only the front brake, because the rear provides so little traction when braking, but as with the fastest of the fast, you need every little ounce of traction possible.

when coming out of a corner, especially with the 500 2-smokes, it was deemed easier to control the power to the rear wheel by opening the throttle and using the rear brake to decrease the power to the wheel, rather than adjusting the throttle angle. the power delivery was almost unusable, especially when the 2 strokes were "on the pipe." then sudden increase in efficiency a stroke realizes when it reaches its "tuned rpm" is unreal, and its even more dramatic in a highly stressed engine like a gp bike. (125, 250...) its hard to describe, but imagine your in your car, your at, say, 3000 rpm, and the pedal is on the floor. you are moving quick, but that much so. then at, say, 5000 rpm, the engine feels like its got another 2 cylinders that just kicked on. this is the powerband of a 2 stroke. (obviously some are worse than others.) even at part throttle, the engine can still accelerate harder and produce more power at 5000 rpm than it would at full throttle at 3000 rpm.

you can kinda see this in the game when on the tz 125, but truth be told, because on the anti-wheelie progamming...well, the whole story isnt told.

and i do ride an r6.

and i do ride an r6.

sweet :)

I'll have to overhaul my controller settings as well. Should be interesting.

Uncreated

Apologies to anyone who doesn't find this a realistic/valid way of playing the game.

Don't apologize. It's precisely what trailbraking is, and it's not only a legitimate technique, but an elite one. Congratulations on breaking through to da next level, champ.

Uncreated

I'm trying to figure out a controller setup that would allow me to trail brake as well as use the conventional method.

Probably won't be that difficult for me to adjust. I use the square button for throttle and the O for rear brake. I don't play with my thumbs on the face buttons, so I'm able to modulate more than one face button at a time. We'll see.

Uncreated

Looks like everybody is now trying to copy/paste Diatribe's technique... :P
Well Diatribe maybe you could write "all rights reserved" and earn some cash... :lol:

Looks like Diatribes turned out to be a bit of a maverick :D

Totally pushing the boundary's ;) Simply great lap Diatribe 8O

Back to school for the rest of us me thinks and to suss out a new control method :eek:

Just a quick word on Doohan and that era - about a year ago I was watching some Motogp programme and he stated that they had slipper clutches in his day - Pointing to 2 fingers on his left hand, so it seems the best riders used a combo of front and rear brake - Throttle and clutch also plus ontop of this body form as well used all at the same time in some instances but probably not to the extent Of Diatribes Unique talent :lol:

Perhaps now I may have a method of squeezing out the extra 400 milliseconds required to put his Deep Forest 600cc record to sleep. :)

Uncreated

I have found it's pretty easy to get a quick time using trail braking on this track. It didnt take long for me to get into the 1'48's and soon after a 1'48.039 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/454) :)

It's a shame though because I scored three 1'48.0xx's and was hoping to open a "club 47" but it wasn't giving it to me :(

Just a quick note on trail braking: it's sort of cheating :shifty:

You can be at full lean with 100% brakes and throttle, then release the brakes instantly and ...no wheelspin at all. It's like you are getting full traction control as in semi-pro mode. It only works if you hit throttle + brakes first, then lean, then release the brakes, but not if you lean first, then throttle + brake, then release. Go figure.

actually, its not that complicated. basically, when the bike is less than about 20 degrees or so from vertical, the tire will not spin, on any bike. if you are already full throttle, then when you lean over further, the tire will still not spin. however, if you release the throttle, and go back to full throttle, the tire will then spin. you can then go back toward vertical and the tire will stop spinning and the scenario above repeats. basically, this is the one thing i hate the most about TT. this is also why its difficult to get a good slide going. (well thats hard anyways...but this makes it more difficult.)

Yep you are right. I guess when trail braking, the game must see that you applied maximum throttle before exceeding that ~20 degrees lean angle and therefore the full traction control applies up until the point when you release the throttle, only with trail braking you never release the throttle at all so you keep the traction control active the whole time.

But you get the same effect as having released the throttle when you apply the brakes as well, because the bike slows down almost as quick as just using just the brakes alone - sometimes quicker I have found.

Overall I think it is a bit of a cheap technique considering the lack of skill required to use it (eg. no throttle control required) and the amount of time gained is a lot (about 2 seconds on grand valley).

And also as you have said it wouldn't work that well in reality.