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CELTIC
01-01-2007, 12:32 PM
Endurance Class

1'31.906 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrwsuzuka8h2005/113814/REPLAY.DAT) 7 Star CBR1000 RRW (Sonic Blue)
1'32.663 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrwsuzuka8h2005/439805/REPLAY.DAT) 7 Star CBR1000 RRW (mthielen)
1'33.352 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/moriwaki/cbr1000rrsuzuka8h2005/989138/REPLAY.DAT) Moriwaki Tiger (mthielen)
1'33.706 Moriwaki Tiger (Isaac8317)
1'33.903 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/moriwaki/cbr1000rrmoriwaki/722338/REPLAY.DAT) Moriwaki Tiger (Celtic)
1'33.909 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrwsuzuka8h2005/80009/REPLAY.DAT) 7 Star CBR1000 RRW (Celtic)
1.34.023 7 Star CBR1000 RRW (suzukibiker)
1'34.416 YSP Yamaha YZF-R1 8hr (Callaghan)
1'35.277 Moriwaki Tiger (-Decado-)
1.35.532 7 Star CBR1000 RRW (es nes)
1'36.081 YSP Yamaha YZF-R1 8hr (es nes)
1'36.298 Yoshi GSX-R1000 8Hour (es nes)

1'33.344 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrwsuzuka8h2005/164016/REPLAY.DAT) 7 Star CBR1000 RRW (mthielen) SEMI PRO
1.33.724 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/moriwaki/cbr1000rrsuzuka8h2005/121261/REPLAY.DAT) Moriwaki Tiger (fra) SEMI PRO
1'33.784 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/moriwaki/cbr1000rrmoriwaki/620278/REPLAY.DAT) Moriwaki Tiger (celtic) SEMI PRO

900cc RM and Over

1'33.578 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/ducati/999rfilaracingmodify/644433/REPLAY.DAT) Ducati 999R RM (mthielen)
1'34.146 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rrracingmodify/644396/REPLAY.DAT) CBR 1000 RM (Celtic)
1'34.174 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/ducati/999rfilaracingmodify/479189/REPLAY.DAT) Ducati 999R RM (celtic)
1'34.274 Ducati 999R RM (750F-RM)
1'34.551 Honda CBR 1000RR RM (The Uncreated)
1:34:869 Ducati 999 RM (Joseph Manters)
1'36.155 CBR 1000 RM (es nes)
1'37.415 GSX-R1000 RM (es nes)
1'37.432 Ducati 999R RM (es nes)
1'37.686 Yamaha R1 RM (Slow1)


1.36.067 Ducati 999R RM (Vermin71) SEMI PRO

Naked RM Unlimited

1:36:876 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/bmwmotorrad/k1200rracingmodify/689051/REPLAY.DAT) BMW K1200R - RM (750F)
1:37:735 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/buell/fireboltxb12rracingmodify/842498/REPLAY.DAT) Buell - RM (750F)
1:37:953 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/kawasaki/ninjazx12rracingmodify/213061/REPLAY.DAT) Kawasaki ZX12 - RM (750F)

899cc - 600cc RM

1'37.442 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/kawasaki/zx6rracingmodify/729396/REPLAY.DAT) ZX6 RM (celtic)
1'37.611 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/suzuki/gsxr600racingmodify/513048/REPLAY.DAT) GSXR 600 RM (celtic)
1'37.887 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr600rrracingmodify/586035/REPLAY.DAT) CBR600RM (celtic)
1:37:943 YZF-R6 RM (Celtic)
1'38.191 ZX6 RM (es nes)
1'38.227 YZF-R6 RM (es nes)
1.38.871 cbr600rr RM (es nes)

599 RM and under


Street 900cc and Over

1'38.705 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/honda/cbr1000rr2005/581541/REPLAY.DAT) CBR1000RR (celtic)
1'38.818 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/yamaha/yzfr12005/802637/REPLAY.DAT) Yamaha R1 (celtic)
1'39.508 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/ducati/999r2005/564925/REPLAY.DAT) Ducati 999R (celtic)
1:40.929 GSX-R1000 (suzukibiker)
1'41.787 Honda CBR1000RR (es nes)
1:41:830 YZF-R1 (es nes)
1:42:437 CBR954 Fireblade (es nes)
1:43:174 GSXR 1000 (es nes)


Street 899cc - 600cc

1:40:000 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/suzuki/gsxr7502005/85372/REPLAY.DAT) GSXR 750 (Celtic)
1:41:448 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/kawasaki/zx6r2005/818328/REPLAY.DAT) ZX6-R 05 (Celtic)
1:41:811 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/files/replays/moriwaki/cbr1000rrmoriwaki/87881/REPLAY.DAT) Moriwaki CBR600RR (es nes)
1:41:863 CBR600RR (es nes)
1:43:059 GSXR 750 (es nes)


Street 599cc and under


TZ Class

1:37:890 TZ 250 (callaghan) In the TTWS Round 2

CELTIC
01-01-2007, 12:58 PM
Top 3 times must be backed up with a replay in the TTBikesim database ;) But I will let it run for the time being

at present I am still compiling the lists - please feel free to comment

Awaiting your Replays Mtheilen and I am aware that you have mislaid your USB Key ;)

es nes
01-01-2007, 06:24 PM
you should make it street 900ccs and over and street 899cc's and under that way the 954 is competing against the other litre bikes like it should. plus, none of the bikes in the list are 1000ccs, theyre all 999 or 998. are you going to include a TZ class as well as 599ccs and below road/race?

Moriwaki CBR600RR - 1'41.811
CBR600RR - 1'41.863
GSX-R750 - 1'43.059
NR750 - 1'45.252

YZF-R1 - 1'41.830
CBR954 Fireblade - 1'42.437
GSX-R1000 - 1'43.174

RSV1000R FACTORY RM - 1'41.643

YZF-R1 RM 1'38.071 (challenge mode)

[edit - youre still leaving some bikes out, like, where would the brutale 910rm and 750f-rm fit in?]

CELTIC
01-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Good point es with the 900cc and 899cc tables now edited ;)

BTW es have you got a replay of the Moriwaki 600 1:41:811 time ;)

Challenge mode does not count es just in case of different coding within the game or something that we may be unaware of.

es nes
01-01-2007, 09:26 PM
es likes http://www.motogpboards.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

and, maybe (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/376)

CELTIC
01-01-2007, 09:34 PM
Cheers es now updated and tables starting to fill out a little :D

CELTIC
02-01-2007, 10:30 PM
I'm toying with the idea of including a top 10 for the Naked RM's what would be your thoughts on this as IMO most of these bikes would miss out :?

750F-RM
02-01-2007, 11:16 PM
if you're happy to add a naked rm category, i'd be happy to ride some, they're a blast 8O :D

es nes
03-01-2007, 12:28 AM
i see no need for a naked catagory since they all fit in the 900cc+ catagories ...

CELTIC
03-01-2007, 12:55 AM
Yeah But No But Yeah........ :lol:

es I wish to keep the tables down to the fastest 10 times / group to keep it clinical and uncluttered with the top 3 times in each group having to have a replay downloaded to be included and that way as time passes most of the top 10's will have a replay link also.

The problem with the Naked RM's is that they fall into the Regular RM900+ bracket and they will not make the top 10 so do you now see the thinking behind this ;)

callaghan
03-01-2007, 03:18 AM
if you check this (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/) out, it has on the left bar a "tt lap times (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/laptimes.php)" section. maybe we could activate this, and put the valencia records up, and maybe modify the existing page to include different game modes/bike classes? (kinda like a pull down menu on the replay page, a little cut and paste??:eh: ) anywho, just an idea.

mthielen
03-01-2007, 11:27 AM
seems like a good idea

CELTIC
03-01-2007, 05:04 PM
Calla thats been there from the start but Dom has never got around to developing that part of the site as I believe at the time he had no time

mthielen
03-01-2007, 10:10 PM
if you need help to get this thing started i would like to help

CELTIC
07-01-2007, 05:45 PM
Mthielen just awaiting your Duke and Tiger replays to complete the tables ;)

BTW - Awesome replay (1:33:229) maximum attack mode and still so fluid and clean :clap:

isaac8317
07-01-2007, 07:50 PM
1',33".706"" - Moriwaki CBR 1000RR 8H

I'm not competing but theres my time after 37 tries, LOL. =o)

CELTIC
07-01-2007, 10:00 PM
Well Done Isaac thats a podium spot mate ;) any chance of you uploading your replay :D

33's starting to become a regular occurrence :eek: the fastest times are definitely on this site :D

isaac8317
09-01-2007, 12:52 AM
Well Done Isaac thats a podium spot mate ;) any chance of you uploading your replay :D

33's starting to become a regular occurrence :eek: the fastest times are definitely on this site :D

CELTIC,


No, I can't brother. I doubt you remember me but I am the one who is in the Navy. I am out at see rightnow. We can't even send pictures home via e-mail. When I get back in March. I will be able to upload it but I'm sure you will all be on too other challenges =o). However I hope you guys still continue because I want to get bake into the championships. BTW have you seen the new "SBK '07" game comming out? I don't think us yanks will be able to buy it though. :twisted:

mthielen
11-01-2007, 03:52 PM
1',33".706"" - Moriwaki CBR 1000RR 8H

I'm not competing but theres my time after 37 tries, LOL. =o)

oh i sens some competition is coming up ;)

here's my Moriwaki CBR 1000RR 8H replay

http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/385

The Uncreated
11-01-2007, 05:35 PM
oh i sens some competition is coming up ;)


You speak as if the competition is only now emerging. It has always been here. Like I said, never discount your peers' ability. I'm confident you aren't untouchable -- yet.

Uncreated

mthielen
11-01-2007, 09:31 PM
yea i know but he's second fastest so far and so far i know it's the first time he has posted :D

The Uncreated
11-01-2007, 10:09 PM
yea i know but he's second fastest so far and so far i know it's the first time he has posted :D

You've missed the point entirely, and I recall indirectly addressing this to you at least once before. (http://www.motogpboards.com/showpost.php?p=6667&postcount=13) Virtually everyone that posts in this forum is your equal, and that doesn't include the fly-under-the-radar talent that has repeatedly swooped in here in the past and humbled us (Spire comes to mind). Your records have not been beaten for lack of ability, but for lack of trying. Do not discount your competition.

Bear in mind you're among experts here, but I must say, the degree of complacency you've shown in the short amount of time you've been around is, for lack of a better word, unnerving. This board is the sort of place where you could toss a bunch of names into a hat and guaranteeably pull out a name that could potentially smoke any other person here in a competition. We're all so similar in ability that it's a veritable crapshoot. For this very reason, you mustn't rest on your laurels.

Uncreated

mthielen
12-01-2007, 09:44 AM
sorry dude i didn't meant i like that

The Uncreated
12-01-2007, 02:37 PM
sorry dude i didn't meant i like that

Fine. Just recognize that in a place where people have skills as tight as the bunch of us do, it's not only tough to stay confident our records might not be surpassed, but dangerous to even entertain the idea -- people here are more than capable of surprising you. I'm not suggesting you wallow in obscurity as we all enjoy even short spurts of recognition, but try a cautious, low-key confidence on for size.

You're good, that much is clear, but avoid making the point at our expense.

Uncreated

mthielen
15-01-2007, 04:42 PM
dude and i thought i was fast
www.dailymotion.com/video/xl5jr_tourist-trophy-en-clean-valencia

i don't know if it's pro but still this is amazing

The Uncreated
15-01-2007, 08:57 PM
i don't know if it's pro but still this is amazing

It isn't. Look closely -- his machine's horsepower is off the chart (seems like 2230HP). He's using arcade mode.

Uncreated

mthielen
17-01-2007, 09:41 AM
yea i noticed it too and he told me he also has -20% weight

callaghan
18-01-2007, 05:46 AM
cool, took the 7 honda out for a spin at valencia, and man, that is a violent ride! there should be a way to pull a smooth power wheelie, not this up and down BS. took my time down to a 1.33.8, and i actually got this thing to handle pretty decent, but like the problem i had with the cbr1000rr rm, its a little inconsistent. one lap is great, then the next, its about 1.5 seconds...not pretty. hopefully i will upload a faster replay soon, i didnt save this one before we had a power spike, an it reset the breaker i have for my PS2. oh well.

sonic_blue
08-02-2007, 11:15 PM
Managed a 1'33.208 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/429) on the 7 Honda :)

The Uncreated
08-02-2007, 11:22 PM
Managed a 1'33.208 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/429) on the 7 Honda :)

I've lost track of all the records for this track, but is that the fastest thus far in the 8HR class?

Uncreated

sonic_blue
08-02-2007, 11:39 PM
I've lost track of all the records for this track, but is that the fastest thus far in the 8HR class?

Yeah dude 8O

The records are on page 1 btw

CELTIC
09-02-2007, 07:23 PM
Very good times lads keep em coming :D

Mthielen any chance of your Duke RM Replay of 1:33:578 as it holds the top spot ;)

Sorry about the Lord Lucan scenario it's just I got completely turned off by the game from overplay and my wrists and hands were cramping up if I played more than 10 mins at a time hence the loss of interest :roll:

Anyway it looks like the boards have picked up a couple more really quick guy's welcome lads more the merrier :D

BTW Tables Updated ;)

sonic_blue
09-02-2007, 07:35 PM
I'm not complaining but on the board my run is listed as .207 when it should be .208

mthielen
09-02-2007, 10:24 PM
I'm not complaining but on the board my run is listed as .207 when it should be .208

seems it's time i go back to valencia :D
I think i've a 33.1xx somewhere, just have to look for it

CELTIC
10-02-2007, 09:29 AM
I'm not complaining but on the board my run is listed as .207 when it should be .208

Thanks for pointing that out SB ;)

mthielen
10-02-2007, 09:55 AM
btw i'll post my missing replays today inclusif the one of which i'm not sure if it's 100% clean of 1'32.978

Edit: Here's the link
1'32.978??? (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/431)

callaghan
10-02-2007, 01:01 PM
linky no worky

mthielen
10-02-2007, 03:22 PM
sorry, but i fixed it :D

Edit:
I've also got a new record 1'33.123 on the 7 honda bu this won't stand long as i can good about half a second faster in the second and third sector combined

Edit:
Club 32 is open

their is not doubt now, i broke into the 1'32

here's my new record
1'32.933 on the 7 honda and it's 100% clean

CELTIC
11-02-2007, 12:10 AM
WHOAAAAA Excellent time Mthielen :eek:

Please upload replays - 7 Honda and Duke RM Cheers ;)

sonic_blue
11-02-2007, 06:10 AM
:eek:

Too quick.

mthielen
11-02-2007, 11:10 AM
1'32.933 on the 7 honda (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/435)

Duke record run (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/436)

750F-RM
11-02-2007, 11:59 AM
ello :) i reckon a '32 deserves the youtube treatment 8O shall i put it up for you?

mthielen
11-02-2007, 02:28 PM
yea that would be nice :D

750F-RM
11-02-2007, 02:44 PM
ok matey, i'll sort that later today or tomorrow :)

sonic_blue
11-02-2007, 07:06 PM
Kept getting 1'33.0's then finally hit a 1'32.857 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/440) :)

Far from perfect lap too :eh:

sonic_blue
11-02-2007, 10:02 PM
Make that 1'32.776 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/441)

Very disappointing though as I was -0.5 seconds to my 1'32.8 run at the 1st checkpoint before losing a massive .4 in the second sector :cry:

1'31 is definitely possible :D

750F-RM
12-02-2007, 07:15 PM
yea that would be nice :D
here's you go :) mthielen/club 32 - 1:32.933/valencia/7 honda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2tWBj9zTsY)

seeing as i had the hardware out doing yours, i've got sonics on the way too, for comparison

and here it is - sonic blue/club 32 - 1:32.776/valencia/7 honda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vMMmRJxcsA)

well done you two, both are great laps :clap:

sonic_blue
14-02-2007, 02:10 AM
Thanks for puttin up the vids.

Seems I was wrong about being 0.5 infront of my 1'32.8 run, it must've been the previous lap that it was comparing to rather than the ghost I was racing against.

mthielen
16-02-2007, 05:24 PM
i have to admit that's a nice lap man, but i'm not giving up either ;)

mthielen
17-02-2007, 10:47 PM
ok i've tested a bit for the championship

1'36.7xx is my fastest qualifier so far but their is a lot more in it

mthielen
19-02-2007, 10:39 AM
got a new record
1'32.663 on the 7 star honda

sonic_blue
19-02-2007, 02:27 PM
Holy crap!

Nice going man, I don't think I will be able to beat that.

CELTIC
19-02-2007, 09:32 PM
Cough Cough ...... Er ... REPLAY ;)

With or without trail braking :P

All joking apart thats damn fast :D

mthielen
19-02-2007, 11:24 PM
without trail braking as i set i befor i even knew wath it was :D
replay will be posted tomorrow for sure

es nes
20-02-2007, 01:53 AM
ftw - this techinque isnt new. look up some of slow1's ntsc replays from the first championship ...

mthielen
20-02-2007, 02:39 PM
here's my replay for my new record

1'32.663 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/453)

sonic_blue
21-02-2007, 05:23 AM
Just watched your replay, it's a quality lap 8O

I was 0.1 infront of you at the last checkpoint, then lost 0.2 to you in those last two corners :lol: :neutral: :cry: :cry: :D

mthielen
21-02-2007, 08:26 AM
yea you are always 0.2 secs faster then me their :D

sonic_blue
22-02-2007, 07:08 AM
1'31.906 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/455) , and it isn't even optimised :lol:

All thanks to trail braking.

mthielen
22-02-2007, 08:35 AM
i don't know about this trail braking stuff
i've one question about it:
Is it possible to do in real life without sliding from your bike?

The Uncreated
22-02-2007, 12:32 PM
All thanks to trail braking.

Are you trail braking with one or both brakes held down? If one, is it front or back?

Uncreated

callaghan
22-02-2007, 01:08 PM
i don't know about this trail braking stuff
i've one question about it:
Is it possible to do in real life without sliding from your bike?

trail braking, yes, you have to do it in real life if you want to be fast. (hell, even the "slow" guys do it). but what you guys are doing in the game isn't really trail braking. in its simpilest terms, trail braking means you are on the brakes while turning for a corner. you might crack the throttle open, but that is for something the game does not emulate...chain slack, and the rough response that some bikes have when opening the throttle from fully closed.

if, however, you are 80% throttle while trail braking, i can guarantee that you will end up on the ground, within .5 seconds. the application of throttle while on the front brake will unload the tire, and result in the front tyre tucking and you lowsiding.

750F-RM
22-02-2007, 06:34 PM
1'31.906 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/455) , and it isn't even optimised :lol:

All thanks to trail braking.
could be that we'll be seeing 1:30.9xx in due course then :eek:

sonic_blue
22-02-2007, 07:09 PM
Are you trail braking with one or both brakes held down? If one, is it front or back?

Both brakes+throttle for the most part, and then adjusting one brake to control your speed mid corner. That is how Diatribe seems to do it as well.

Here's the general idea: if you want to scrub as much speed as possible while cornering I use throttle+front+rear before leaning into the corner. Then I lean into the corner while still holding throttle+front+rear. Then, if you feel you are going too slow mid corner you can release the rear to gain some speed, then re apply it to adjust your speed again. If you have entered the corner too fast it's no good because you have to come off the throttle while leaned which means you have to go back onto it gradually because the traction control is gone.

Also when exiting a corner I usually release the rear brake first to gain a bit of speed, then the front one to fully release the bike.

The best way to get the hang of it I found is to just go around a circuit doing nothing but throttle+/-(front+rear) for a while and then start playing around with releasing brakes one at a time mid corner to see how it changes your line.

could be that we'll be seeing 1:30.9xx in due course then :eek:

I thought about that but I think a low 1'31 is more realistic :)

mthielen
23-02-2007, 11:50 AM
i just compared our two fastest times and i noticed that i almost lose all of the time in the first sector you're half a second faster then me their and the other sector 0.1 secs each.
So trail braking very good in the first sector

sonic_blue
23-02-2007, 09:26 PM
i just compared our two fastest times and i noticed that i almost lose all of the time in the first sector you're half a second faster then me their and the other sector 0.1 secs each.
So trail braking very good in the first sector

All I can say is you've got to learn trail braking!

Honestly, if you use the technique you should find it isn't that hard to get it into 1'31, that's how cheap it is :lol:

You probably think I'm a cheater :lol:

mthielen
23-02-2007, 10:04 PM
not i'm not thnking that, it's just your way off driving

i will however never learn trail braking as it seems very unrealistic to me

sonic_blue
23-02-2007, 10:20 PM
i will however never learn trail braking as it seems very unrealistic to me

Yes, it is unrealistic, but if I look at it that way I see the whole game as unrealistic. Some of the bike physics are very questionable, and the compulsory traction control really hurts it.

I'm happy with the fact that there is even such a thing as trail braking being used in reality, and I believe the game is immitating that to some extent. I would bet the designers at PD are aware of what trail braking is and at some point I'm sure their game testers have had to approve of it.

Dario-zg
24-02-2007, 02:39 AM
Yes, it is unrealistic, but if I look at it that way I see the whole game as unrealistic. Some of the bike physics are very questionable, and the compulsory traction control really hurts it.

I'm happy with the fact that there is even such a thing as trail braking being used in reality, and I believe the game is immitating that to some extent. I would bet the designers at PD are aware of what trail braking is and at some point I'm sure their game testers have had to approve of it.

This type of driving you use in this game is nothing like the real trail braking...

First - the trail braking in real life means braking deep into the corner just to use the force to keep your first wheel deep into the ground - it gains some extra stability, but to much braking turns into the oversteer and your rear wheel becomes unstabile, or your first wheel just slides away, so you could easily end up on the ground.

Second - using the brakes and the throttle at the same time isn't the smartest thing to do. Try it in real life. You're really got to be a real pro to do something like that. The only thing you can gain by that is to smooth the respond to gas. So as Calla sad - you can reduce that chain slack (I really don't know what does it mean but I can guess), and that rough kick (something like happens when you fast release the clutch) and that's all.

The trail braking as you use it in the game DOES NOT EXISTS IN REAL LIFE.

So it's up to you will you use it or not. ;)

Stay tuned!

sonic_blue
24-02-2007, 08:18 PM
Yes, it is totally unrealistic to be on the throttle + both brakes at the same time, I agree with you.

But how's this for unrealistic - go as fast as you want on any bike, hit full lean and then jam on the front brake as hard as you want and the bike doesn't so much as buckle.

There is a long list of things that are totally unrealistic in TT.

If I had it my way we'd all be racing from cockpit view with no traction control, no throttle+both brakes, manual transmission, manual clutch and doing smooth lines through corners easing gradually on the throttle to mimick what is done in real racing :)

es nes
24-02-2007, 09:19 PM
dont forgot about how the bike stands up when the front suspesion bottums out instead of tucking.

sonic_blue
24-02-2007, 09:41 PM
How could I forget that one :)

High Speed Ring is basically nothing but trying to prevent that from happening :)

Sorry for all my posts on the subject but another thing occured to me: perhaps when pressing full throttle+front+rear, and then leaning, the traction control is stepping in and reducing your throttle to about 20% (and maybe even adjusting the braking too). It's the only explanation as to why the bike slows down almost as quickly as using brakes alone (sometimes quicker).

It makes sense, because when you apply full throttle and send the bike into full lean, it backs off the throttle for you then, so I don't see why it wouldn't in the above situation as well.

So, my question is, would ~20% throttle +front+rear cause your bike to lose control in reality?

callaghan
25-02-2007, 05:10 AM
sonic, yes, you probably could use 20% of each, but that wouldnt really accomplish much. sending power to the rear wheel while applying the brake to slow it down is a lot of wasted energy.

dont forgot about how the bike stands up when the front suspesion bottums out instead of tucking.

this does happen in real life, but its not as dramatic as in the game. (or at least i haven't experienced it that badly.) it is usually caused from too much preload in the front and/or too stiff a spring. sometimes if the compression damping is way too high, i've found it to happen as well, especially if you hit some bumps in the corner.

es nes
25-02-2007, 06:48 AM
heh. that ironic since ive found that the game likes the front end springs stiffened to cure it.

CELTIC
25-02-2007, 10:02 AM
As Robin said to Batman "HOLY CRAP BATMAN" :eek: into the 31's

Tables updated ;)

Trail Braking Allowed as IMO It would be too difficult to marshall in the first instance and It brings another level to the game and still requires alot of skill to pull off also It gives the game a little more Legs.

So go ahead lads start setting new records :D

I've noticed that there is no under 599cc records for RM or Street so for the next week I will set a challenge for these categories - Ending Saturday 3rd March CST time Midnight. :D

Remember TZ's Have there own Class but more times welcome here also ;)

The Uncreated
25-02-2007, 02:14 PM
If I had it my way we'd all be racing from cockpit view with no traction control, no throttle+both brakes, manual transmission, manual clutch and doing smooth lines through corners easing gradually on the throttle to mimick what is done in real racing :)

I play the game in every way you list minus the manual clutch. :)

Uncreated

sonic_blue
26-02-2007, 09:01 AM
I play the game in every way you list minus the manual clutch. :)

Hey, if you can pull off the times that you have from cockpit view, then my hat's off to you :)

I really like the cockpit view and use it as much as possible but for some tracks like the ring, it's just too difficult to judge corners

-Decado-
26-02-2007, 03:03 PM
Hey, if you can pull off the times that you have from cockpit view, then my hat's off to you :)

I really like the cockpit view and use it as much as possible but for some tracks like the ring, it's just too difficult to judge corners

I like that other front view, feels like you are riding with the rider rather than actually looking through the helmet.

sonic_blue
10-03-2007, 07:53 PM
The duke'll go 'round in 1'31.278 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/469), albeit with 1 mistake. Whether correcting it is enough to get it into the 30's is anyone's guess :think:

Ludtt84
10-03-2007, 11:49 PM
cheer sonic you are simply enormous, it s awesome time very good

sonic_blue
11-03-2007, 05:30 AM
:redface: :D

Well thanks. I've seen your replays too Ludtt and they are very quick, and they are motard!

es nes
13-03-2007, 03:21 AM
Trick*Star ZX-10R 8H 1'36.513. need to work on the set up since the front seems to sometimes disagree with what i want it to do and runs wide instead of holding a nice line. you need to be really smooth with 2nd and 3rd gears to or itll spin up.

sonic_blue
14-03-2007, 10:10 AM
1'30.946 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/470) :dance:

sonic_blue
14-03-2007, 10:15 AM
(deleted, misread the leaderboard)

DJ Baker
17-03-2007, 10:54 PM
Here's a little something for the empty 598cc RM & Under group:
1'54.731 Honda RC162 RM (TT/Pro Mode)

Maaa
06-04-2007, 08:18 PM
GSX-R 1000 RM: 1:34.249
I do belive the bike is capable of braking the 33 barrier, if i can make a perfekt lap, or maybe some small changes in the setting..

Maaa
20-04-2007, 08:39 PM
7 Honda:
1.32:847
Split1: 0.44:550
Slplit2: 1.08:004

Dident save the best run replay, but did save the "whole" run replay.. So its seven laps and the best time is on lap 7 of 7..
I can upload the replay, its about ten minutes long, maybe its possible to edit it so it only show the one lap?

sonic_blue
21-04-2007, 01:22 PM
7 Honda:
1.32:847
Split1: 0.44:550
Slplit2: 1.08:004

Dident save the best run replay, but did save the "whole" run replay.. So its seven laps and the best time is on lap 7 of 7..
I can upload the replay, its about ten minutes long, maybe its possible to edit it so it only show the one lap?

You can't edit it but still post it as we can still fast forward to the last lap.

mthielen
21-04-2007, 01:27 PM
just asking but is it in pro mode or another?

still nice lap :D

Maaa
21-04-2007, 01:35 PM
Its Semi Pro mode.

Okey, i will post the replay later tonight

Maaa
21-04-2007, 05:00 PM
7 Star CBR1000 RRW: 1.32:649
Replay: http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/499

So im getting closer

mthielen
14-05-2007, 04:21 PM
maaa you should know we consider semi-pro and pro mode as different classes, but still it's a great time

Maaa
15-05-2007, 06:12 PM
So my time dousent count? The only diffrence is traction control, and every real racing team in roadracing today has it, you are simply not competitive without..

I refuse to learn pro mode :D I guess i have to settle with not being on the list then.. :down: Even tough, my oppinion is that the fastest lap is the fastest lap, no matter what.. Afterall there are no written rules that say othervise.. Is it?

mthielen
15-05-2007, 07:53 PM
you'll be on the list but it will be mentioned that it was in semi-pro mode, i even think their's a seperate list for it

Dario-zg
15-05-2007, 07:56 PM
So my time dousent count? The only diffrence is traction control, and every real racing team in roadracing today has it, you are simply not competitive without..

I refuse to learn pro mode :D I guess i have to settle with not being on the list then.. :down: Even tough, my oppinion is that the fastest lap is the fastest lap, no matter what.. Afterall there are no written rules that say othervise.. Is it?

Traction control in moto racing? :D Lol. Haven't heard about that. You may have the fastest time in semi mode, nobody denies that, but that cannot be compared to pro... That's like comparing 2 different games. So that time doesn't mean almost nothing to us who drives pro. If you join pro's we will be glad to try to beat your time. ;)
Stay tuned

mthielen
15-05-2007, 08:44 PM
actually TC in moto racing is common now a days, is mostly used in the supberbike series as far as i know
motoGP is still a bit behind on this, but their also faster :D

Dario-zg
15-05-2007, 09:40 PM
Yep, looks like it's being used in superbike... First time I hear about it. My bad. :lol: But it's still forbidden in moto gp, and actually there are many fans against that system (count me in). If you're a real driver you'll drive hardcore. :twisted: :D
If that kind of high-tec will be alowed soon drivers won't even be necesary...
Boxes- "Vale, turn on the auto pilot, and stop by for a beer..."
Vale -"Comming, keep it cold"

mthielen
16-05-2007, 07:20 AM
lol :D :D :D :D

Maaa
16-05-2007, 09:19 AM
Motogp is even worse on electronics, how come that no one powerslides in races anymore? How come that nobody highsides anymore? Traction control is old news in motogp today, everybody has it everyone needs it... But i realize that its not the same as in Tourist Trophy, the sbk and motogp riders have to be easy on the throttle out of corners even with traction.. So pro mode is probably the most realistic of the settings and the closest you may come to a real roadracing bike WITH traction..

I guess i have to practice some pro mode then :(

750F-RM
16-05-2007, 05:25 PM
I guess i have to practice some pro mode then :( ello maaa :) when i first got tt i used standard mode, then i found this site and discovered that i needed to run
in pro mode to take part in the championships and suchlike

i found the changeover easier than i would have expected, and became quite adept at pro mode in a fairly short
time. i'm now quicker in pro mode than i am in semi pro or standard mode

you can do the same :up:

es nes
17-05-2007, 03:24 AM
750f-rm - correct me if i wrong, but, youre also still using automatic :P

750F-RM
17-05-2007, 05:24 AM
yep, i use auto. you've shifted (haha!) to manual, yeah?

mthielen
17-05-2007, 01:48 PM
yea same here, and pro mode is more fun
you should be able to handle it within 2 hours or so

Maaa
27-06-2007, 05:59 PM
Just wanted to mention that im down on 1:32.9 with pro mode.. My aim is to brake the 32,5 barrier, and then i will post the replay.. ;)

It dident take long to learn pro mode, but to learn how to ride fast in pro mode was a bit tricky.. To use the R3? stick for throttle was ok, but to use it for braking was practically impossible.. So i improvised, using the R3 for throttle and the standard square button as front brake, and it works GREAT!...

Conclusion: Pro mode is without doubt mutch more fun! ;) :D But im still point three faster on semi pro, for now..

Dario-zg
27-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Great work... Keep up! ;)

750F-RM
27-06-2007, 07:33 PM
Just wanted to mention that im down on 1:32.9 with pro mode...
nice time 8O

mthielen
28-06-2007, 05:58 AM
yea very nice time, i'll have to take a visit to valencia as well one of these days, it's been a long time :D

mthielen
30-06-2007, 02:49 PM
One of these days i'm going to have a new laprecord, but can't fit the pieces together yet. I'll give it another try next week

mthielen
05-07-2007, 05:22 PM
damn so close to a 1'32.2 ,but crashed in the final corner :(

The Uncreated
12-07-2007, 07:03 PM
One of these days I'll jump back into the Valencia mix.

Uncreated

mthielen
13-07-2007, 04:20 PM
great to see you back in action TU
good luck

mthielen
16-07-2007, 12:25 PM
I have a new PB but it's not much faster then my previous so i'm not going to post it

Teine
23-07-2007, 02:31 PM
Hi, I'm new here (I registered last week) and I'd like to join this thread cause I really like the valencia track.

My best time so far is 1:33.5xx on the 7 Honda bike, but I did that in standard mode:redface: .
I just started running in pro mode this weekend, but I'm still a second a lap slower, so I'll have to practice some more;)

mthielen
23-07-2007, 04:26 PM
welkom Teine ik hoop dat je het goed zult doen hier ;)

English: Welcome Teine i hope you'll do good

Teine
24-07-2007, 01:39 PM
merci, kzal mn best doen:)

English: Thanks, I'll do my best

mthielen
24-07-2007, 03:28 PM
here's my new PB

1'32.511, but i should be able to go 0.3 secs faster

mthielen
07-08-2007, 12:19 PM
well finally here it is, beat the 1'32.5 mark

1'32.333, but i've been .2 sec faster at T1 so their's more in it

mthielen
17-08-2007, 11:57 AM
damn just see that i still have to upload this replay, totally forgot about it

mthielen
16-09-2007, 09:21 AM
Sorry i took so long guys but here it is my replay of my newest PB

1'32.333 (http://www.ttbikesim.com/community/single.php/542)

750F-RM
16-09-2007, 09:34 AM
ello mt :) is this the one you want a video made of?

750F-RM
16-09-2007, 06:29 PM
i've taken a chance and uploaded it anyway, so here the download link for mthielens valencia pb (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=07R5L3UD)

mthielen
28-09-2007, 10:59 AM
Still have to thank you for uploading 750
so thnx ;)

here's the link to the youtube video
1'32.333 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERzsKow3x0A)

mthielen
02-10-2007, 06:18 AM
i tried the yamaha TZ 250 for a change
Woow that one's fast :eek:

1'36.4 never thought it would be this fast, that's like times from 600cc RM bikes, maybe just a bit slower

i guess the ability of baking late and the fast corner speed really is important

mthielen
11-06-2008, 07:21 PM
well sinds i have 3 months of vacation coming up (starting the 20th) it's about time i try to beat my record, it has been standing their long enough. I hope i can make it into 1'31 but that's going to be very very hard. But still going to try it ^^

mthielen
10-09-2008, 08:48 PM
ok i started again on Valencia testing all suzuka bikes

im surprised how good the kawa did

so far i tested 3 bikes

the kawa (33.3), the yamaha (33.2) and the gixer (33.4)

I expected the kawa to be much slower then the rest, but so far all bikes are almost equaly fast. The hondas will be on tomorrow

RacerPaul
11-09-2008, 09:46 PM
hi mt :) you've got a full on love affair with this track eh? :D seeing as it's the
only track that was new with TT, i thought i'd make this thread sticky :up:

mthielen
12-09-2008, 07:13 AM
This was just the first challenge i ever competed in here at MGPB

I always try to find the limits, but i'm sure their is room for improvement ^^

mthielen
20-09-2008, 08:28 AM
i can't believe i'm saying this but the Kawa is really becoming on off my favourites

RacerPaul
20-09-2008, 01:00 PM
it is indeed a good bike. i remember winning the last round of the tt world series we did on it

10 lapper at suzuka. i had a good set up and got into a nice groove :D